Saturday, January 14, 2012

If Jesus is about Forgiveness, why did he kill a Fig Tree and a Herd of Pigs?

Considering the Fig Tree could have been made an example of Forgivness, the Pigs did nothing wrong and, The Father had written in stone, "Thou Shall NOT Kill."

If Jesus is about Forgiveness, why did he kill a Fig Tree and a Herd of Pigs?
Wouldn't you commit suicide if a legion of demons went into you. I always felt bad for the pigs because Romans says that all of creation didn't choose to fall but fell when mankind fell. The legion of demons asked to be sent into the pigs so the pigs didn't choose that either.



Poor little piggies



As for the pig tree it was a parable but some differ on what the parable actually means. Just talked to someone the other day who says it refers to todays time and the war and all to come.
Reply:If you are refering to the scene in the market before the synagogue. He was angry that people were still buying and using living things to give as a sacrifice to God. Seems to have gotten him into quite a lather and he lost all control of his emotions and temper and became like unto the earlier fire and brimestone , Lighting and thunder type of god. Until the sellers left in a panic from his wrath.
Reply:forgive those who are mean to you. humans, not trees or animals.
Reply:Thou shalt not MURDER only applies to humans.



All the fish they ate probably died soon after they fished them out of the water.



Do you really care that much about a tree and pigs?



Can you forgive a tree or a pig?
Reply:Lakota idjit



the pigs committed suicide, and the Fig tree was a parable.



and the "thou shalt not kill" was ment to be about humans.



Try again
Reply:One does not forgive a tree, since trees do not sin.



Jesus withered the fig tree because he could. Also, God created all trees. To assume that the tree is somehow meaningful apart from its creator--that is, its life is something sacred just because it exists--is a little bats.



It displeased Jesus that there was no fruit on it--and it was the time of year that the fruit should have been rife--and so he withered it. Arguably, it was a "dead" tree anyway, since it wasn't producing. (This isn't in the Bible. I read up on fig trees in relation to this very act of Jesus' myself.)



Nor does one forgive demons, because demons are of Satan.



Still, Jesus did not kill the herd of swine. The demon inside of them killed itself. Legion ("because we are many")--the demon that was previously in the man before it went into the swine--was in such agony that it begged to be cast out, and once it was cast out into the pigs, it killed itself.



The commandment, my friend, is "Thou shalt not murder." By the way.



A course in Christian theology will help clear up these basic misconceptions for you.
Reply:When Jesus cast the demons out of the man, he cast them into the swine, then they ran over the cliff and were killed.

In the first place, the commandment against killing refers the murder of a human being with an immortal soul, a being made in the image of God. It's not talking about animals.

In the second place, what were Jews doing raising pigs in Palestine?
Reply:First, "thou shall not (kill)" is a KJV translation, which should have been translated "...not murder"

Second, man that's a stupid question: Just eat yourself a fig newton and a pork chop and re-think it.
Reply:He destroyed the Fig Tree because it was "unproductive" in its season. In other words, everything has a job and this particular tree was doing nothing at all in nature to justify its existence, therefore it had no reason to be, i.e., every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It had no reason to be therefore it wasn't. It was destroyed for its lack of "nature" or for not doing its job. Christ was "teaching a lesson" and a fig tree was a small price to pay in order to teach such an important lesson for his followers. See, even today its sacrifice is still being felt!



As far as the "swine" go, even Christ himself "shut up the demons" because they were going on and on about him being the Son of God and the last thing he wanted was "for Demons to be publicly declaring his Messiahship around the country." The Demons, terrified that it was "time for him to imprison them in their millennial pit" begged instead to be allowed (which they didn't need to do, but fearing still the chains he will ONE DAY bind them with) to enter the Swine, they then plunged over the cliff and were then able to exit the Swine as spirits once again.



So, while Christ did exercise his authority over the fig tree, he did not kill the swine. The Demons did that.



I don't think its a sin to kill an unproductive tree?
Reply:Are you a vegetarian? God never said we can't kill animals, animals are just our food, and so are trees. The story is that the legion of demons possessed a man, then Jesus ordered them out so they inhabited a group of pigs then ran off the cliff. The demons actually killed the pigs.
Reply:The translation has been deluted from the original greek. It's more accuratly. "Thou shall not murder" Humans have dominion over the animals and if you accidently kill a person it is not a sin. Only murder.
Reply:the fig tree was to demonstrate that they that do not bear good fruit will be cut off, and the pigs were chosen by demons and killed in place of the man.
Reply:Jesus is not a god. Maybe he killed those animals to feed his stomach. So what is the big deal.
Reply:Not to mention he flipped out on the money changers in the Temple and had verbally lashed out at people calling them a generation of vipers. That whole thing about him being all love and sunshine is just BS people use to try to sell Christianity.
Reply:uhhh...he was hungry?
Reply:I see your still reading Fairy Tales, Bob.

You should check out Rapunzel, at least it has a happy ending ! ; )
Reply:The fig tree withered because Jesus cursed it.

He cursed it because it was not bearing fruit.



Under Jewish law, (and Jesus was a Jew) pigs were an unclean animal. So it would most certainly have been unlawful for a Jew to keep a herd of pigs.
Reply:Don't misquote Bible. It's not "kill"--it's "murder". Evidence--God

killed the Egyptian Infidels and disobedient Jews.

Jesus is not just about forgiveness. He came with a sword.

Fake-Christians misinterprete the Holy Bible.
Reply:the laws are generally applicable to men ... and social situations ... the earth, although to be respected, is here for us to use for our purposes.
Reply:the thou shall not kill was refering to people not animals. in genesis, it states that pigs of hooved feet are dirty and not to be eaten. they were thrown off the cliff as they had demons in them in that part. the fig tree was bad so he destroyed that particular one. he ate meat, fish and it was still forgiving.


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